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Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 4:42 p.m.
Thread: Hopeful Realistic Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DFinn91</b></div><div>I don’t think Addison should be back either. I think the Sharks let him walk, so I’m not sure why you went immediately to him.

Rutta and Burroughs represent 1/3 of the d core of one of the worst teams of the cap era. Saying they should be kept at all costs is ridiculous.

As to who plays instead of them. Ideally good right shot NHL defensemen signed in free agency (Roy, Demelo, Pesce, Walker)or acquired via trade. Worst case they just give those minutes to see what they have in Thompson and Emberson.</div></div>

Yes but that doesn’t change anything - and leads back to some of my comment.

Ferraro - Myers (I doubt we can afford most of those UFAs as they’d all probably rather go to a contender or be overpaid)(but sure a UFA as 1RD I agree with).

Thrun - Emberson (again I agree with you, Emberson has earned a job and a 2 year contract imo.)

Shakir - Rutta / Burroughs / UFA
- so who’s our 3RD? I don’t think Addison is a good fit for Shakir.
- I don’t think Thompson should just get the job
- I also think we need a tough, capable, 3rd RD we need to add size and grit/hard work to our 3rd pair to help the rookies out.

I don’t see how Rutta doesn’t fit that bill.

The Sharks openly tanked last year. Just cause your name was on that team means little to me. I still see value in Rutta and Burroughs. I still see value in Kunin as a 4th liner. I still see value in Blackwood.

I mean I don’t see any downside to keeping those two for the locker room, depth, leadership, mentorship, and 3rd pair roles to give to Shakir. Rutta and Burroughs would both just be the stay at home guys to let Shakir being himself.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 4:26 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 4:02 p.m.
Thread: If Rumours are True
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NotElliotteF</b></div><div>There's no chance Toronto would move Liljegren for either pick, let alone both players for 42. Sandin fetched a mid 20s first in a deeper draft and Liljegren is just as good while also being RHD.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NotElliotteF</b></div><div>A team that had 1 single 20 goal scorer doesn't need a 22 year old who paced for 20 goals while playing 11 min a night?
I get disagreeing with the price- though there's only a 29% chance a 33rd overall pick paces to be in place Robertson is now according to historical data by age 22- but they could definitely use some bets on younger guys who might be able to score playing with Celebrini and Smith.</div></div>

Accidentally commented twice so putting a TJ comment here.

Idk maybe I’m wrong but I don’t have a major opinion on TJ to swing either, I don’t see much upside but I don’t see much downside. Lukewarm on him; so it doesn’t move the needle on the trade.

Makes me ask more of why does TOR want to move on from him when they could use a drafted and developed D man.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 4:02 p.m.
Thread: If Rumours are True
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NotElliotteF</b></div><div>There's no chance Toronto would move Liljegren for either pick, let alone both players for 42. Sandin fetched a mid 20s first in a deeper draft and Liljegren is just as good while also being RHD.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NotElliotteF</b></div><div>A team that had 1 single 20 goal scorer doesn't need a 22 year old who paced for 20 goals while playing 11 min a night?
I get disagreeing with the price- though there's only a 29% chance a 33rd overall pick paces to be in place Robertson is now according to historical data by age 22- but they could definitely use some bets on younger guys who might be able to score playing with Celebrini and Smith.</div></div>

NRob history of injuries hasn’t left - the best scenario for him to succeed is in TOR.

Additionally his most common linemates last year were (in no order) : Domi, Nylander, Tavares, Knies, Jarnkrok.

It’s not like he’s a bad player but he hasn’t flourished in Toronto when given the same opportunities like Knies. Furthermore, and more importantly imo - San Jose has already invested over a 2nd in Bords and Gushchin. Both of which haven’t done anything to warrant giving up on them (unlike some Sharks fans jump to the conclusion of).

Bords and Gushchin are already behind Eklund who’s locked for the foreseeable future as the Sharks 1LW. Which means they’re battling for their careers soon. One for 2W, maybe one swaps to RW and they can both earn a 2W. Or they’re battling for who’s 2LW and who’s going to have round out their game and be 3LW and prove everyone wrong.

Imo, that’s the forgotten aspect of the Sharks this year. Is their prospects need to start fighting for jobs and NRob adds unnecessary complications because trading 42 is such poor asset management imo when you have Bords and Gush. I don’t see NRob having a high ceiling than either so it’s like saying we have 2 jobs up for grabs and 2 prime candidates weve invested in. But let’s spend even more on adding a 3rd Small Winger.

Last year the Sharks just tanked. They kept their hopes and dreams (good prospects) away from the NHL and in the AHL (but the Cuda also sucked so unlucky).
But they gave icetime to Hoffman, Carpenter, etc.

This year the Sharks - atleast how I see it; can’t afford to give icetime to pointless bums. They have to breed internal competition between their prospects for jobs now, and adding NRob means one of them is the 4LW on the SAN JOSE SHARKS. That’s not setup for success. That’s setup for an uphill battle. Atleast being in the middle 6 gives them a fair shake.

Finally, San Jose still needs to add veteran mentors and experience to fill out a few roster spots. So there’s simply no room to spend a high value asset like 42 on - gambles; that’s what those 2 are.

It’s just unnecessary imo. It’s gotten little to do with NRob and more to do with the context of the situation - which needs to be considered when trading with another team.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 9:49 a.m.
Thread: Perfection
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JuanDamienNebraska</b></div><div>Lmao okay. A decent amount of this is pretty unrealistic, but above all, NYI are not doing that.</div></div>

I mean contrary to this on a previous posts for this trade, the opinions for JGP were the opposite of yours and that it was fair.
NYI needs to change their team and move money.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DFinn91</b></div><div>I doubt Parekh will be there at 14. Same with Jiricek at 21.</div></div>

That’s why it’s labelled as dream lol - not “mock draft”

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Robinho3799</b></div><div>If you want LAs 1st pick, this is clearly not enough to get you that pick, especially because you are asking for the 1st rounder from your division rival LA...</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PuckLuck_77</b></div><div>No thanks from LA.</div></div>

LA and SJS are barely each others rivals at this point. Grier traded with VGK - easily the biggest Sharks rival in the past few years. EDM is clearly LA’s.

Grier traded his 1C Hertl to VGK. So, I think that mentality to not trade with LA/SJS is stuck in the 2010’s.

Additionally, Based on draft pick values this is basically an equal value trade. I’d agree that maybe LA would ask for the slight overpay that would often happens with trade ups - but these are basically equal draft pick values (217 and 213). I included Benning due to LA potentially losing some of their RD depth and he’s a DFD rd. So yeah San Jose could toss in another pick or something but it wouldn’t be substantial.

For example the other day the Hawks trade up and lost a draft pick value of roughly 10. So the gap here between 217 and 213 is quite small to overcome.
Forum: NHL SigningsWed. at 8:15 p.m.
Thread: San Jose Sharks signed Will Smith (3 Years / $4,150,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>dude you are over here constantly trying to compare MC to Crosby.
Just stop.

You make up straw man points and ramble.
The points were never that MC isn't a good player. Never. The point was he's not a franchise level guy and teams need that guy to be real contenders and analytics prove that.

If you can't get that, sit down.

God knows you can stop trying to throw his name next to Crosby and show some "model" that puts him to comparable to Crosby and McDavid.... he's not, and people who do such things are click bait idiots.
There are serious qualitative differences between him and those two. It's not even a close comparable. You should be embarrassed rambling that nonsense and thinking anyone should take it seriously.

Yes we know he's a got a chance to be a good young player... your hype nonsense strawman nonsense.
Lafrenière is a good player too, star portential...... but he's not a FP and people knew that at draft. But you have to get past the click bait hype machine that you think is just "fine" to get that far.

But you clearly aren't reading or have 0 ability to comprehend as that your strawman was never the point.

The point was a whole lot of people talking "future looks bright".... well future looks like mediocrity without a FP forward and analytics show that.
He's not that. Good player, yes, FP no. There is no indication of that right now.

NO FP....NO real contender constant uphill climb. That's what analytics show in the league.
I don't make the rules, I just point out the facts of history.
You over here arguing like you're his mom.</div></div>

“…Malkin and Crosby. No one saying they’re going to be better. No one. “ direct quote from my comment you replied to.

You talk about others reading abilities lol. But your <em>reading comprehension</em> is abysmal.

“We’re talking about the excitement for new players in the league. So the hype is warranted - it shows why you saying other posters are talking “out their a**” is just factually wrong.“ here I’ll dumb this down for you. And I’ll also simplify the model that was shown because youre clearly lost.

- no one say Celebrini = Crosby
- no one say Celebrini &gt; Crosby
- no one say Celebrini will be like Crosby (120p rookie)
- I say Celebrini has shown he should have hype because of his profile
- Celebrini is like Crosby =/= he be Crosby
- =/= means not equal to
- heres a context example: you could say Bedard shoot good like Ovi but that doesn’t mean he is Ovi. Use your reading abilities off this example and apply it to your previous problems.

Take care buddy.